Iranian President and holocaust err...stuff.

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Iran's president questions Holocaust

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsarticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyid=2005-12-08T171212Z_01_RID850121_RTRUKOC_0_US-MIDEAST-IRAN-AHMADINEJAD.xml&rpc=22

"Some European countries insist on saying that Hitler killed millions of innocent Jews in furnaces and they insist on it to the extent that if anyone proves something contrary to that they condemn that person and throw them in jail," IRNA quoted Ahmadinejad as saying.

Religious hardliners in Iran do not publicly deny the Holocaust occurred but say its scale has been exaggerated to justify the creation of Israel and continued Western support for it.

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You know the state of things in the Western world is so bad when the president of IRAN is criticizing imprisonment based on opinions

Gotta give him credit on one front: He is educated on the imprisonment of holocaust deniers.

This is what took place in the last 3-4 months of 2005:

Earnst Zundel: German historian deported from America to Canada due to "expired Visas" (yet MILLIONS of illegals go unchecked). He was even married to a US citizen. The Canadian government then deported him to Germany where he faces up to 5 years in prison just for his thoughts.

Germar Rudolph: German chemist living in America with his American wife and just had a baby with her. He got deported to Germany for a book he published. He now faces up to 5 years in prison. If he had not been deported for 2 more months the statues of limitations on his "crime" would have expired. Despite qualifying for political asylum in the USA (ie for though crime) he was not granted asylum like millions of non-Whites.

David Irving: British historian who was visiting a friend in Austria. The Austrian police apprehended him for making a speech in Austria back in 1989. The speech claimed Hitler new nothing of Jewish deaths till 1943 or 1944. He was even denied bail for fear that he would flee to Britain (where his words are not criminal). The British government remained silent during his arrest and trial. Had it been someone in Iran Tony Blair would have been in uproar!!

Thanks of "our" governments (in this case USA, UK, Germany, and Austria) that are supposed to defend "free speech and democracy", these men will not be having a merry Christmas with their family.

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Iran Leader Reiterates Holocaust Doubts

TEHRAN, Iran - Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has reiterated his doubt about the Holocaust and called on Muslim nations to take a proactive stand on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, state media reported Tuesday.

The president's comments, published on Iranian state television's Web site, were the second time in a week he has expressed doubt about the Nazi genocide of Jews during World War II. In October, Ahmadinejad also said Israel should be "wiped off the map."

"If the killing of Jews in Europe is true," the Web site quoted Ahmadinejad as saying during a speech at an Islamic conference in Tehran, "and the Zionists are being supported because of this excuse, why should the Palestinian nation pay the price?"

In Israel, Foreign Ministry spokesman Mark Regev criticized the remarks.

"The real problem with the repeated statements of the Iranian president is that they correctly represent the mind-set of the Iranian leadership, and they accurately articulate the policies of that extremist regime," he said.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051213/ap_ ... ran_israel

The west shouldn't favor either side! Let them destroy eachother!

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TEHRAN, Iran (CNN) -- Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has described the Holocaust as "a myth" and suggested that Israel be moved to Europe, the United States, Canada or Alaska.

Germany, the European Commission and Israel condemned the remark, with German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier calling it "shocking and unacceptable."

The Israeli government said Ahmadinejad's regime had "a distorted sense of reality."

Ahmadinejad sparked widespread international condemnation in October when he called for Israel to be "wiped off the map."

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/12/ ... index.html

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Check this story:

In Turkey, a Turkish author is on trial for thought crimes. His crime? For stating that the Turks massacred Armenians in 1915.

And guess who’s condemning the trial in the name of free speech? THE EUROPEAN UNION!!

Now, I’m no fan of Turkey or Turks. I despise them and believe each Turk should be deported from Europe and that Turks need to acknowledge the 1.5 million they slaughtered.

However, for the EU to condemn this in the name of free speech? This is the ULTIMATE JOKE!

Pretty much EVERY member of the EU has jailed someone for thought crime! Be it Holocaust revisionism, singing White power songs, political leaders that oppose what the government thinks, I could go on and on! And they attack another nation for doing the same thing?? Just see the examples I specified above!

On with the story:

The rooms in Istanbul's Sisli courthouse are tiny. There is barely space for a single wooden spectators bench squeezed between battered metal filing cabinets.

But on Friday one of these rooms will be the setting for a test case for Turkey.

Turkey's most internationally-acclaimed novelist will go on trial here charged with "insulting Turkishness".

Now he is back, determined to use his time in court to defend his comments, and his right to make them.

"What happened to the Ottoman Armenians in 1915 was a major thing that was hidden from the Turkish nation; it was a taboo," the writer explains, at an Istanbul cafe overlooking the waterfront.

"If that person is not internationally known they are going to punish him and put him in prison. Article 301 should definitely be changed if Turkey rightfully - and hopefully - is to join the EU."

There are currently more than 60 writers and publishers besides Orhan Pamuk on trial in Turkey for what EU officials call their non-violent expression of opinion.

Ragip Zarakolu is one of them.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4527318.stm

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Hang on a second? Isnt there a glaring logical error in that statement??

How can you be charged under free speech for simply exercising that right?! So much for free speech eh? Free speech is fine as long as you only say what they allow you to say!

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Turkey drops case against writer

A Turkish court has dropped a controversial case against best-selling author Orhan Pamuk for insulting Turkish identity after the justice ministry said it had no authority to try him.

Ruling on a case that has been condemned by the European Union, the justice ministry told Istanbul's Sisli court it had had no authority under the revised penal code to pursue the trial.

Pamuk was charged under article 301 of the new penal code, which forbids insulting the Turkish identity, after he said in a Swiss newspaper interview that no one dared discuss the massacre of a million Armenians in Turkey during World War One.

The EU had said the case raised concerns over freedom of speech in Turkey as it seeks to win EU membership by demonstrating its commitment to European values.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/turkey ... 44073.html

Turkish writer’s charges dropped

Free speech concerns surrounded trial

ANKARA, Turkey (AP) - A Turkish court today dropped charges against the country’s best-known novelist for insulting "Turkishness," ending a high-profile trial that outraged Western observers and cast doubt on Turkey’s commitment to free speech.

Orhan Pamuk went on trial for telling a Swiss newspaper last February that Turkey is unwilling to deal with two of the most painful episodes in recent Turkish history: the massacre of Armenians during World War I, which Turkey insists was not a planned genocide, and recent guerrilla fighting in Turkey’s overwhelmingly Kurdish southeast.

"Thirty-thousand Kurds and 1 million Armenians were killed in these lands, and nobody but me dares to talk about it," he said.

The controversy came at a particularly sensitive time for the overwhelmingly Muslim country. Turkey recently began membership talks with the European Union, which has harshly criticized the trial, questioning Turkey’s commitment to freedom of expression.

http://www.columbiatribune.com/2006/Jan ... ews023.asp

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Hang on a second? Isnt there a glaring logical error in that statement??

How can you be charged under free speech for simply exercising that right?! So much for free speech eh? Free speech is fine as long as you only say what they allow you to say!

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